Universal Health Care In Britain & Canada versus U.S.
U.S Health care is vastly superior to universal health care in England & Canada.
“Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.
[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.
Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.
[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.”
Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%
Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18
Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in “excellent health”:
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%
Riffenberg's Blog 
Thank you for providing these numbers!
Hmm, People might have been treated earler but it’s a shame you didn’t put how much it actually COST for the treatment..
Hip replacement in the US=$31839 and $44816, in England £0
MRI scan in the US $400 to $3500, In England £0
Do you get the picture?
Fine if you can afford insurance but millions in the US can’t, so just leave it to the survival of the fittest? Now what kind of regime does that sound like?
Medical care is frequently denied in Britain. It’s called rationing. Medical care is denied whenever the yearly expense exceeds around $56.000 a year per indiv. So much for so called universal free care. How do you think the treatments in Great Britian were paid for? Do you think maybe the British govt. grew it on trees? It’s paid with taxes. Ever hear of VAT? VAT nearly brought the British govt. down and it took years for them to recover when it was implemented. Everyone pays. Most people in Britian buy supplemental insurance to cover what the British govt. won’t cover. So much for so called free care that costs nothing. Free care costs lives in UK. Nothing is ever free! It always costs something. It’s against the law to deny life saving medical care in the U.S. We did not need a takeover of 1/6th of our economy by the govt. There were numerous remedies. One example of many, is: Insurance could be sold across state lines to lower premiums. In a few years,you will start paying more for health care and your health care will be worse as a result of Obamacare.
Old Yorker says that the costs of health care in England is zero. What a pretty picture.
If that were true the doctors and every person connected to someone providing health- care in England would have to work for free. If it were true that English health care was free, the folks which produce the materials and devices for patients’ care would have to hand over the fruits of their labor without compensation. If a patient needed a drug in this fantasy that Old Yorker has created, a life-saving drug which took a decade to develop test and approve would have to have been developed without any costs associated so it could be provided without cost to the patient.
It is NOT free in England, you pay for it in your extremely high taxes, currently the average american pays five percent of their income towards health care, in england, that is double.
Excuse me, but most people do NOT buy supplemental insurance in the UK. There’s really no need. What happens if someone with not Health Insurance in the US needs long-term care that’s not necessarily life saving but nevertheless extremely life improving? The NHS may have its faults but health care is granted to all on a completely non-discriminatory basis, without the need to fill out forms and find out if the bills can be paid in advance. Medical care is never denied… some medicines which have not yet been fully approved or are prohibitively expensive (ironically ususally because they are produced by huge American drugs conglomerates) are not provided to the population. I have never heard of someone being denied medical care because their hypothetical ‘bill’ had run too high. If this were the case, noone would ever have heart surgeries or difficult medical procedures on small children, which are famously extremely expensive. Yes, people wait for some less urgent operations, but they do get them. What do you say for the millions of impoverished Americal citizens who don’t even bother going to the doctor because of a painful hip because they know they would never even be able to afford the consultation?
American insurance companies are famous for denying their clients expensive healthcare… also if the hypothetical ‘bill’ for a single medical problem becomes to high. The US needs to understand that it’s the individual that matters, and not everything is about privilege and money.
Look, we don’t need to understand anything, especially from a country who has had several egregious human rights moments in their hsitory. You won’t convince me either that universal healthcare is the same as equality in health care. You don’t have it and you know it. I can site numerous articles from your own newspapers on the subject. and
Its’ naive to assume there aren’t nefarious motives behind the health care bill. “We have the best govt. money can buy,” BTW.
The U.S. develops at least half of the world’s new drugs and we subsidize the research and development of new pharmaceuticals so the rest of the world can have nice cheap price controls. You are welcome, BTW. Americans subsidize your prescriptions so be thank-full for what your govt. will allow you to have. We paid for most of your prescription cost with higher costs to our higher prescription costs fund new innovative drugs and ourselves.
I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have health insurance and I don’t know of anyone who has been denied a treatment or a medication (unless the medication, surgery or treatment was in the trial, experimental stage). The number sited as uninsured comes from the Census Bureau. The health dept. puts the number at 5 million less. The Census counts everyone at a residence, including illegal immigrants and foreign students who have health insurance in their own country. They can still receive free health care at a clinic or at a hospital. At least, 300 hospitals in the US will provide free health care as needed. The city of Atlanta has over 32 free clinics.
Over 30 states and 42 pharmaceutical companies http://www.freemedicineprogram.org/media.html provide free or reduced costs prescriptions.
SSI or Social Security Disability is available to anyone residing and working in the US., including people here illegally.
A friend of mine did say she knew someone who was a stockbroker who refused to buy health insurance for his family. He wanted the car and the plasmas, instead.
I pay more for my insurance than just about anyone I know. I have had two types of cancer. My insurance will cover my expenses up to a lifetime maximum of $1,000,000. I pay a $300.00 a month for health insurance. That includes dental. That would include eye surgery for glaucoma and cataracts but not for my eye exam or glasses. I get two dental check-ups and cleanings with no co-pay twice a year. My doctor co-pay is $35.00 and $50.00 for a specialist.
You are right, only 10% of the British have supplemental insurance which is dumb since you have the worse medical care of all in western countries. Mark Valenti’s, Liberty site has a lot of info on the subject.
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/socialized.html#britain
However most of Europe has a much higher percentage of those who purchase additional health care insurance.
quote,
“A recent study shows that while over 50 percent of patients in the United States receive the latest, most effective pharmaceuticals for arthritis, they are available to only 15 percent of patients in Germany and the United Kingdom. The same trend is revealed with regard to cardiovascular medicine. In Italy and Belgium, the threshold condition for receiving the most innovative and effective therapy is having a cholesterol level of about 290 as well as proof of a family history of heart trouble, even though established medical opinion holds that a cholesterol level of 190 is the appropriate threshold for treatment.”
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Lecture/Perspectives-on-the-European-Health-Care-Systems
Cancer survival U.S. VS Europe
https://riffenberg.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/1893/
5 yr survival rate for cancer/Europe vs. U.S.
https://riffenberg.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=1931&action=edit
U.S. life expectancy vs. the world
https://riffenberg.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/us-has-highest-life-expectancy/
Fate of premature babies in UK
https://riffenberg.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/englands-healthcare-23-week-old-baby-dead/
Right to life bill U.S.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_aliv.htm
One of the effective ways the UK is responding to the medical care conversation is by providing 24-hour private care services such as DoctorNow. This organization offers quality care at a moment’s notice – whether you are at home or in the office. This service is strictly patient-oriented and has low rates. Visitors can also come to the practice for consulations and other services at a fraction of standard medical prices. My sister swears by this service and now has me hooked too! I’d like to see more services like this open up in other areas so spread the word.
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